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Thursday, January 10, 2008

Girl Sports: Playing with the Boys by Eileen McDonough and Laura Pappano

The subtitle and argument of McDonough and Pappano's book Playing With the Boys is Why Separate Is Not Equal in Sports. "Equality in sports," journalist Laura Pappano insists, "is essential to gaining equality in all walks of life--social, educational, political, and economic."

"Sports matters," the authors say. Sports are peculiarly "a place in America where power and money and male power very often meet." Not unexpectedly, women and girls are often barred by law or practice from equal participation in major national sports, including those where they are competitive. Strangely enough, this segregation by sex extends even to national competitions in chess and bridge, games in which women are physically able to move a pawn or shuffle a deck as effectively as men. Sports are, the authors assert, "the most sexually segregated social institution in American society," extending from peewee teams to professional leagues. In the rationale of our national sports, the authors contend, women are as a group considered inferior, and this rationale doesn't just reflect the projected inferiority, it actually constructs it. Unlikely to have the opportunity to learn, practice, and master skills under the most favorable conditions of coaching, facilities, peers, and community support, it is not surprising that few women manage to excell. Like the old Negro baseball leagues, girl sports are often set aside in a ghetto reserved for "girls' games."

Indeed, Pappano and McDonagh liken the history of women's sports to that of racial segregation. Originally, women were barred from organized sport as African Americans were barred from learning to read. With the passage of Title IX in 1974 women advanced from a situation in which most sports were not open to girls to a status in which institutions were required to make teams available in public schools and colleges, primarily on a gender-segregated basis only, separate but "equivalent." But for all the opportunity Title IX has offered, the authors insist that "separate is not equal in sports." The prohibition against gender mixing in sport labels women as inherently inferior, with lasting consequences for women's advancement in politics, education, and especially the workplace. The symbolism of this segregation is invisible, but powerful in American public life.

The authors do not contest the physical differences between the average size and strength of men and women, but point out that the bell-shaped curves for physical attributes for males and females overlap considerably, making some women bigger or faster than some men. For example, they observe that, although no woman has yet won the Boston Marathon, the top women finishers are better than most of the men who compete with them. They also suggest that most men could not compete with the 350-pound tackles and 7-foot centers in professional football and basketball either. Certainly our most popular national sports evolved to show off what males do best simply because males were dominant in the societies which designed and developed these sports. (No malice aforethought, just boys doing what comes naturally.) The authors point out that there are sports in which women are equal or superior because of their physical attributes--extreme marathons, cold water swimming, and the like. Just because few women can dunk a basketball like Michael Jordan doesn't mean that women who play Division I college basketball or soccer should be barred from their local athletic leagues or company teams for life.

Playing With the Boys: Why Separate is Not Equal in Sports is bound to raise controversy from several elements in society: one group asserts that since most women can't make the upper level college and pro teams, they have no business playing with the boys at any level; a second group insists that the monetary market alone should decide which teams and players should compete; and another group, less well defined, reacts to the superior numbers of women in higher education by insisting that males need special nurturing, through segregated sports and special educational opportunities, to hold their own in American society. These arguments seem flawed and detrimental to the best interest of both boys and girls. McDonagh and Pappano do not advocate that voluntary gender segregation be forbidden, but simply assert that women should be allowed equal opportunity to practice and try out for sports on all levels, without having to take the matter to court, and let the chips fall where they may. Their premise is that the image of women competing in popular sports is a powerful one for young women, one which means that they are accepted as full participants--real people--in the social, academic, political, and economic world of our time.

Eileen McDonagh is professor of political science at Northeastern University, visiting scholar at the Institute for Quantitative Social Science at Harvard University, and author of Breaking the Abortion Deadlock: From Choice to Consent.

Laura Pappano, author of The Connection Gap: Why Americans Feel So Alone, is writer-in-residence at the Wellesley Centers for Women at Wellesley College and has written for The New York Times, Boston Globe, and The Washington Post.

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  • Of course, following the argument to its logical conclusion, boys should be allowed to compete for places on girls teams, as well. Ultimately, the thesis being proposed is that boys and girls are more competitive below the surface than most people think. Actually, girls are quite different in their drives (I hate to break the news) and most females do not have the drive to compete to the level that most males do. The underlying idea that a doe is just like a buck even though she doesn't have horns is really somewhat superficial and naive. Let's get realists involved in education. Not theorists.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:10 PM  

  • So what happens when girls and boys play mixed Pee-Wee football and they are evenly matched. Then puberty kicks in around 12 yrs and the girls start to really not be able to compete until by the time they reach high school, maybe some teams have girl kickers. What about basketball when the boys shoot over six feet in the summer going into their sophmore high school year and the girls are topping out at 5'8". Yes, Point guards are short sometimes, but then a girl has to be better than the fifth smallest boy. Maybe in 2 or 3% of schools. What is then left to argue about sports equality? Girls have an equal number of opportunities as boys have to play sports. The wise move is to leave it there so the thought that women can compete with men in sports is not disproven. As a man, I'm all for it. I won't have to listen to girls argue about this subject after they get 2 beers in them.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:15 PM  

  • "Strangely enough, this segregation by sex extends even to national competitions in chess and bridge, games in which women are physically able to move a pawn or shuffle a deck as effectively as men."

    I don't know about bridge, but as a competitive chess player I can point out that this is deceptive at best, and untrue at worst. I have never heard of a single male-only chess event in the entire United States. Women are allowed into any major chess tournament they please, and in no way are barred from competitions with men either in the United States (USCF) or internationally (FIDE). I've never heard of any chess event from either of these organizations that bars women.

    The only way this can possibly be seen as an accurate portrayal of the sport of chess is that there are women-only events along with the mixed-gender events. So unless the author is calling for women to end their own women-only events and only compete with men, this criticism is invalid.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:16 PM  

  • Like most gender "equality" issues, this is yet another sexist scam by the female supremists. Does anyone really believe that if women can compete on the men's teams that men will then be able to compete on the women's? Women's sports would cease to exist at that point. No,based on prior history, the actual scenareo that they are proposing is "affirmative actioning" women onto male sports teams while also preserving the women's teams for women.

    This type of blatant sexism is coming out of the Women's studies departments at the Universities. Such bogus disciplines should either be eliminated from the schools or a "Men's studies" department started to balance the bias.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:28 PM  

  • Funny story: When I was in high school, stories started popping up about girls on high school boys wrestling teams. I wrestled in grammar school, but ran cross-country in high school and never lifted a weight. Fast forward to a tailgater during my senior year of college. One of my buddies brings his girlfriend who was one of those girl high school wrestlers. The whole time she's all "I'll kick any guys butt. I used to wrestle. I'm awesome." Finally, In the middle of my story, I turned to my buddy and said "Hold my beer." I challenged her, she accepted, 5 seconds later I executed a double leg takedown and dropped her on her butt. I stood up and she slapped the ground and let out a @#$%. I walked back to my friends, grabbed my beer, and picked up the story where I left off.

    Why do these people want every girl to have the opportunity to experience that?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:34 PM  

  • I think this is wonderful. Eliminate women's divisions from all athletic events, and let men and women compete on an even footing.

    I look forward to the demise of women's tennis, golf, basketball, volleyball, swimming, track and field, and softball, to name a few, because on a level playing field adult women simply are unable to compete with adult men. Period. (No pun intended.)

    Saying that premier female athletes can beat the average slob is a gratifying assertion to feminists, I'm sure, but irrelevant. In an open competition, the people the premier female athletes would have to beat are premier male athletes, not Joe Sixpack, and as the athletic records show, that ain't gonna happen.

    But as a committed empiricist, I welcome the opportunity to put that assertion to experimental test. Eliminate the LPGA. Have the girls hit from the pro tees like everyone else. Have women tennis players play against the top male players. Same thing with volleyball, swimming, softball, you name it. Let everyone compete without any cognizance whatever of sex.

    We all know that the result would be a lot more brownies getting baked. Probably not a bag thing, on balance.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:38 PM  

  • There is a sport in the NCAA that men and women compete equally in, and women tend to be better at then men. However a national push to increase the shooting sports runs afoul of all the liberals. They would rather women be disadvantaged than to let them learn to shoot a rifle.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:46 PM  

  • In the '70s and early '80s, I had 2 daughters who were pretty good athletes. I had to fight to get them on mixed baseball (Little League) and soccer teams. They both improved greatly, more than they would have playing against their inferior girls teams. There is no good argument against girls playing sports with boys, even football (many middle school potential girl football players are as big as boys). The current situation is holding back talented girls from becoming the best athletes they can be.

    By Blogger tom, at 10:09 PM  

  • Anonymous: Indeed, and not just in the NCAA but at all levels from grade school to seniors; marksmanship is gender and age agnostic.

    I lettered (much to my astonishment :-) in Rifle in high school, but was only 2nd best on the team to a girl I'd gone to kindergarten with. My sister won't let me forget the one period in grade school when she was shooting better than me ^_^, and her husband recently mentioned how she schooled "the boys" in a bit of informal skeet shooting not too long ago.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:15 PM  

  • Asserting that women should be allowed equal opportunity to practice and try out for sports on all levels sounds well and good but what happens to female only teams? If women are allowed and encouraged to try out for previously male only teams, then you create a sexist double standard unless men are allowed and encouraged to try out for female only teams. Do you think women will be happy with that outcome, or is it a case that what's mine is yours and what's yours is yours?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:18 PM  

  • Re: shooting. Then why are all Olympic level shooting sports segregated?

    Women should be allowed to play where they're qualified to play, and not allowed to play where they're not qualified to play. I don't know why so many people find that hard to grasp. There have been girls here in Australia who were among the best Australian Rules footballers in boys teams at younger ages, who are then forcibly segregated, against their wishes and their teammates wishes, when they're still able to make the grade (about age 14 or 15).

    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22291522-2862,00.html

    Why not just let her play with the boys until she's no longer able to? The coach can figure out at what point she's no longer able to scrap with the big boys, and probably she can too. But no, we have to go all nanny-state on girls, and deprive them of the right to free choice that so many critical conservatives claim to champion.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:20 PM  

  • Anon 9:46, right you are and thanks for the mention; things are worse than you say. Schools have Title IX quotas to meet, and as an "unintended consequence" many have changed rifle to a women-only sport. Fencing was co-ed, but not enough women wanted in, so most schools just killed it. Interesting that both are traditionally sophisticated "gentlemanly" activities with (almost laughably) martial overtones: meat for a gender-studies grinder. We're living in a crazy dream world.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:28 PM  

  • Re: boys playing in girls' competitions. Why on earth would anyone want to (besides to prove a childish point) and what happened to common sense?

    Competitive environments are about moving upward, not downward. A ten year old genius may be allowed to do university level mathematics, if he/she's smart enough. But a 21-year-old advanced maths major will not be allowed to do primary school maths, because that would be silly. You move up, not down.

    Women's sports will survive because the vast majority of women either can't or don't want to play at men's level. Are men really that threatened that if girls want to play them, they'll go and kick down their sandcastle as punishment? If women want to play with men, and aren't up to it, they'll get their butts kicked and learn a dose of reality. If she is up to it, then good, you've found another qualified player. What's the problem?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:32 PM  

  • Just imagine this scene, a 130 pound girl decides she is trying out for, say wide receiver, on a high school football team. The coaches put her out on the field and she meets the 200 pound Defensive End in a full speed head on tackle.

    The next stop would very likely be the emergency room. Females has smaller weaker bone and muscle structure and this is a real safety issue.

    By Blogger Codeburner, at 10:43 PM  

  • I think that the real reason is the strong taboo against men and boys physically dominating women and boys by physically restraining their bodies without permission. Boys are supposed to be taught never to touch a girl without her permission, and contact sports are all about dominating your opponent against their will. We don't teach behavior that we don't want to reenforce, so no mixed contact sports.

    I'm not surprised to find the taboo reflected in the structure of our sports establishments, at least in contact sports.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:49 PM  

  • In the previous post, I meant to write "women and girls"

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:50 PM  

  • Yeah, men are afraid they'll get their butts kicked. That must be it.

    The analogy with race breaks down because major league baseball players knew that the players in the Negro Leagues were as good, or better than they were. The Negro Leagues did not prevent African-American ballplayers from improving up to their potential. Inability to be paid (and respected) as well as white players was their problem.

    By Blogger Assistant Village Idiot, at 10:50 PM  

  • Bogus! Most things said here, by the cited authors and by most of the commenters, are bogus.

    Biggest problem is the approach that assumes "all girls are..." and "all boys are...". Simply sexist! How about we look at persons as persons?

    I am the father of 3 grown daughters and one grown son (the youngest). None of my daughters is "unfeminine" (whatever that means) and yet any one of them can outwork a lot of men. They happen to all be pretty strong and have learned how to use leverage, etc.

    Are they typical? Who knows? What's "typical". I do know that they each have met the challenges they've faced (including showing the guys a thing or two).

    I say we need to allow persons to compete on a "level playing field". I say that a female should not get on the team unless she's beaten out enough other people to make the cut. I say no guy should get on the team unless he's beaten out enough other people to make the cut. I say nobody should be cut, blocked, or otherwise impeded from trying out, from making the cut on performance alone, or from bombing out on performance alone.

    I say we should look into people's eyes, listen to them talk, see them as persons, and forget about gender, ethnicity, and other stuff that we're born with, and see what that does for our workplace, our sports, our lives.

    Getting off the soapbox now.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:57 PM  

  • Why would any boy want to play a girls game? Maybe because in most parts of the country vollyball is considered strictly a girls game.

    I can still remember the "boys" in my gym class holding our own against our high school vollyball team. Oh.. and they were the reigning state champs.

    By Blogger Unknown, at 11:03 PM  

  • Just another case of the idea that we have to MAKE everything equal regardless of if it should be. This IS an all or nothing thing. You cannot simply say girls and boys should compete while they are similar sizes. You will have to say there are simply no divisions. This is the problem that other commenters speak of. At the top levels? There will be no girls, because the percentages of females of similar sizes and skill levels will go down with age. When I was in college a basketgirl friend of mine rolled her ankle in the old gym, and I had to take her to the hospital. I was just a regular guy, she was on a varsity b-ball team, and a 4 year starter and holder of records, and in really amazing shape. I am 6' and 200# She is 6' 185#

    I threw her across my shoulders and carried her to the car, because of the distance, and the time it would have taken any other way. The following spring, she tried to pick me up, to prove a point. I was actually 195# at the time because of track. She could barely get me off the ground, much less control the lift. Even though she had been lifitng weights and doing phys. therapy for months.

    Though our sizes were similar, our musculature was vastly different. In basketball she was the queen, but for strength she wouldn't have been close.

    We are NOT the same, and why should we be? We are different for a reason, and it's time the PC groupies figured that out, and celebrated it. Title X keeps things similar in funding and so on. IF that's broke it can be fixed. A true integration would simply kill everything.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:08 PM  

  • Oh.. and a couple of more observation/questions: Why do you think the top NCAA Women's basketball teams routinely scrimmage against men? And why do some women get so exercised about it?

    By Blogger Unknown, at 11:13 PM  

  • GTC,

    I hope in the future you continue to provide interesting info that I can use to provide my 11yo girl and 8yo boy with good reading. This post was drivel. I hope that my daughter can achieve success by competing, and succeeding, with her peers. She does not need to read books that teach her that the world is tilted against her because she was born differently than her Dad and brother. I try to raise my kids the best I can, but they ARE different. And I don't want my daughter to try and compete with the boys to make a statement. That will most probably lead to future disappointment. Better, she compete with 'em in other arenas.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:37 PM  

  • Wow, I can honestly say I can't wait to read and order the book.

    Topic aside, book collections are meant to address all points of view. I'm intrigued to read something that prompted so much discussion and obviously touched a nerve with many people.

    I ran track, rock climbed and skydived....so not as much the issue with male and female. i think my perspective is limited so far. Me thinks I'll poke about more.

    By Blogger Going Crunchy, at 12:28 AM  

  • I'd be fine with this, provided it wasn't an excuse to "level the playing field" and start kicking boys out of athletics. The girl who can actually keep up and compete with a boy (especially when grown) will be rare, but I don't see any reason those rare girls shouldn't be allowed to join up.

    If the only change is "in addition to boys' teams and girls' teams, we get coed teams," then it's all good. Yeah, alot of girls will be beat, but my experience with athletic girls is that they're quite competitive, and quite a few would rise to the challenge and probably surprise you.

    But I do think JMS has a point. The problem with this will be less that the girls will have a hard time competing, and more that the boys will have a hard time being an obvious, dominant force. We'll visibly see that most girls can't compete, and boys will be sensitive to physically controlling women (as in wrestling), and there'll be big issues when the tough-buy bullying aspects of some sports start to hit women the wrong way. Boys can play really rough, especially in games like football, and if you can't compete, there's serious derision involved, and that alone will cause fights (whether its women getting upset at being treated so, or other boys getting upset at seeing a girl treated so).

    And I dread the day a sexual harrassment suit comes up. "He touched me inappropriately." We could laugh and dismiss it, but some boys WILL take the opportunity to touch inappropriately.

    With very physical games (Wrestling, football, heck even basketball), I'd probably limit this approach.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:44 AM  

  • I say we should let females practice and try out for sports and let the chips fall where they may! Women probably won't play football at the highest levels (unless they are very unusual or unless they specialize in kicking), but so what? That doesn't mean that ten-year-olds can't play Little League baseball IF THEY CAN MAKE THE TEAM!

    So, what if they do? The girls will get to play baseball instead of softball with other players of their level--and so will the boys. It's a game!

    Maybe some guys would enjoy softball in childhood. They surely do enjoy it as adults. The ball fields are full of 'em all summer. It's a game!

    What's the problem?

    Anonymous 11:37, this review is NOT drivel. Your daughter ought to have the choice to play any sport where she can make the team, whether it's basketball or skeet shooting. Choice! Your daughter should not have doors closed FOR HER, not even by well-meaning daddies.

    Yes, there are gender differences, but we're all human.

    By Blogger GTC, at 9:42 AM  

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